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Decked out in leather... on space rocket cycle... I don't think that particular dream got through. Click for full image

Noel’s Art Direction: I want a nice subtle cover. Nothing too controversial.
Published 1974

Actually, that cover IS a classical work of art!I would touch it without protective gloves.I've seen worse. Far, far, worse.Interesting, but I would still read it in public.Middlng: Neither awful nor awfully goodWould not like to be seen reading that!Awful... just awful...That belongs in a gold-lame picture frame!Gah... my eyes are burning! Feels so good!Good Show Sir! (Average: 8.57 out of 10)
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43 Responses to “The Iron Dream”

  1. THX 1138 Says:

    Mein Camp.

  2. Perry Armstrong Says:

    Jude Dredd

  3. Bibliomancer Says:

    Sieg Heil’s Angels

  4. B. Chiclitz Says:

    Somehow Nazis always look cooler in leather.

  5. Tom Noir Says:

    The Sound and The Fuhrer

  6. Dead Stuff With Big Teeth Says:

    Totenkompfensatingforsomething

  7. Billy Awesome Says:

    Hitler wrote award-winning Sci-Fi? Learn something new every day.

  8. Tat Wood Says:

    @Billy Awesome and everyone else: yes, that’s the joke!

    Spinrad was parodying John W. Campbell, Doc Smith et al by writing what purported to be a book from an alternate history where Lt Hitler emigrated to America in 1921 and worked for ‘Amazing Stories’. This ‘Skylark’-meets-Wagner saga ‘Lords of the Swastika’ is sort of SF’s very own ‘Springtime For Hitler’.

    The cover is exactly right, unlike the French one (which looked as if they were taking it at face value http://livre.fnac.com/a1776891/Norman-Spinrad-Reve-de-fer ).

  9. Ray P Says:

    The Adolf Hitler Motorcycle Diaries.

  10. anon Says:

    Fonetic Cincher Panties
    Sir Dan Pornman
    <thirsts for Dolph Lundgren’s fine classic Gaawas wine>
    ONE RAD HERMIT

  11. fred Says:

    Yes, the Spinrad alternate history Hitler wrote SF. Badly. Just wish they had embellished the conceit with examples of pre author Hitler’s artistic efforts in his first job as a pulp fiction cover artist.
    http://www.apocalypsebooks.com/img/cover/iron-dream.jpg

  12. Tom Noir Says:

    Pretty crazy cover for this book, but is it the BEST cover?

    This one is pretty good.
    This one I kind of love.
    This one, on the other hand, forgot to include Hitler.

  13. Anna T. Says:

    Stupid Rocket Hitler

  14. David Cowie Says:

    This cover is an excellent thematic representation of the book. I still wouldn’t want to be seen reading it in public.

  15. A.R.Yngve Says:

    It’s a very special kind of satire, and easily misunderstood — imagine if bona fide Nazis bought the book and thought it was actually written by Hitler…

  16. Dead Stuff With Big Teeth Says:

    Oo! Aesthetics debate. Does the quality of satire vary with how much it’s misunderstood? Remember, some thought that Swift was advocating eating babies FOR REALZ.

  17. B. Chiclitz Says:

    @DSWBT:

    Privy Councilor: Johnny, babes, love the piece. Totally there. Finally somebody has done more than just complain, but actually offered a solution.
    J. Swift: Solution? Well, yes, but . . .
    Privy Councilor: I mean, it’s brilliant! Kills two micks, er, I mean, birds, with one stone. Famine and overpopulation—done!
    J. Swift: Uh, Sir, you do realize it’s a work of satire?
    Privy Councilor: Satire shmatire, it’s brilliant I tell ya. Only question is, I mean, can we really get away with killing and eating the Irish babies? I mean, isn’t the PC crowd gonna get all bent out of shape and all? Could be a huge PR mess.
    J. Swift: *sigh*

  18. anon Says:

    @B.Chiclitz: That would just be proof that it’s satire and not some sloppy, farcical parody.

  19. B. Chiclitz Says:

    @anon—yes, if I get your question. I’m agreeing with @Dead Stuff that one mark of genuine satire is that a chunk of its audience thinks it’s literal. Like irony, only on a deeper level, it divides the audience into those who get it and those who don’t.

    Like GSS . . . . 😉

  20. SI Says:

    “Well… someone’s gotta deliver this giant fountain pen!”

  21. Perry Armstrong Says:

    Some more great sci-fi written by Hitler:

    I Have No Maus and I Must Scream
    Flow My Tears, the Gestapo Said
    Behold the Übermensch
    A Canticle for Fritz
    I, Jackboot
    A Case of No Conscience Whatsoever

  22. anon Says:

    @B.Chiclitz: Oh, come on! There really is (or at least should be) a higher minimum requirement of intellectual consideration for things to be satire. I don’t think GSS reaches that. You’d have to be fairly thick to think GSS is somehow real. A mere misunderstanding of the target of mockery by a random new reader doesn’t count.

  23. B. Chiclitz Says:

    @anon—thank you for the chiding, and the clever youtube link. If I had the slightest idea what you were talking about, I’d be even more chastised. I get the feeling you are practicing satire on me. Well, I always appreciate your commentary.

  24. Tat Wood Says:

    @anon: Whaddaya mean, GSS isn’t real? These covers don’t exist? I’m hallucinating typing this right now?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1Lc9faSqs

  25. Noel Says:

    Born to be Reviled.

    Philip K Dick was right. The Nazis won the war and this is all a dream.

  26. Elvraie Says:

    Not Christ on a Bike! Adolf on a flying bike!

  27. anon Says:

    @B.Chiclitz, @Tat Wood: Assuming you weren’t making fun of me:
    I was referring to B.Chiclitz’s last two words. GSS can not be satire because it can’t be confused to be “real” (vs. satire) since AFAIK there isn’t anything “real” that GSS as a whole could be satirizing, i.e. there is no “real version” of GSS you could confuse it with because it’s all in jest.

  28. anon Says:

    Is that phallic rocket-appendage there to counter-act the drag of the giant swastika?

  29. B. Chiclitz Says:

    @anon—not wanting to drag things out, but for the record, no not making fun of you. Thought you were giving me the business in fact. Hard to read tone in these posts, which is a danger. My little joke about GSS had to do with the “in” group “out” group thing, which it has in common with satire. Not claiming GSS *is* satire, per se. Sometimes GSS posters get accused of mean-spirited mockery when, as others have pointed out repeatedly, it’s really all in the spirit of homage. If we didn’t love SF, we couldn’t bust these covers so beautifully, but that’s sometimes misread.

    I’ll let Good Sir Tat speak for hisself.

  30. anon Says:

    @B.Chiclitz: Unanimity status: positive. (See the last sentence.) Who does the hive collective attack next?

  31. Tat Wood Says:

    @anon (27): I was making fun of myself for spending so much time on this site.(And it was an excuse to use the Rodney Bewes clip again).

    But is anon 27 the same person as anon 26? Are they the same anon as the one who does whimsical anagrams of the blurbs? See, as soon as someone invokes PKD I get very unsure of myself. I’m ontologically challenged.

  32. B. Chiclitz Says:

    Who am us anyway?

  33. Tag Wizard Says:

    @anon, @TatWood, @B. Chiclitz
    Did you ever stop to think that you three guys are the only real people on this site.
    And everyone else, including me, are GSS Admin sock puppets?

  34. Dead Stuff With Big Teeth Says:

    @TW: So THAT’S who has his hand up my arse!

  35. anon Says:

    @Tag Wizard: Stop to think? Who do you think I am? I close my eyes, hunch down and speed up. If any problems arise, I resort to violence and name-calling. It works surprisingly well in traffic.

  36. B. Chcilitz Says:

    @Tag Wiz—you think we need a new generation of tags? Something ontological? Start tagging posts, maybe with a numerical value on the Sock Puppet-Homo Sapiens scale? I don’t know about @DSWBT, but I’d trust your judgment. 😉

  37. BMunro Says:

    @Noel: wasn’t it the Roman Empire which had never fallen? Or am I just mis-remembering “Valis?”

  38. A.R.Yngve Says:

    I’ve read the book. It is an extremely nasty satire… among other things, it seems to imply that Hitler would’ve fit right in at any ordinary American sci-fi convention! Also, that Hitler was deep, deep “in the closet”…

  39. Ray P Says:

    Get your motor running
    Head out on the highway
    Looking for lebensraum
    And whatever Jew comes my way

    Ja Adolf you could make it happen
    Take the world in a loving embrace
    Fire all of your guns and once in
    Explode into space

    I like smoke and lightning
    Heavy metal thunder
    Racing with the wind
    And the feeling that I’m Fuhrer

  40. Dead Stuff With Big Teeth Says:

    @RayP: And like a true Anschluss child
    We were Bern-born to be wild
    We could claim Sudety,
    I never want to die!
    Bonn to Bevilard!
    Bonn to Bevilard!

  41. Noel Says:

    @BMunro – I was thinking ‘The Man in the High Castle’, which I haven’t read for a long time and may be getting confused.

  42. Leigh Says:

    I own this book. And I’m very pleased to see it here. (Goes off to sink even more time into GSS because there’s time enough)

  43. Dead Stuff With Big Teeth Says:

    I got @tayandyou to describe this cover!

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